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Coded Logic
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Not the Author of Confusion
by Coded Logic in609 african independent charismatic.
black american apostolic.
african independent charismatic.
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What was there before the Big Bang?
by Brokeback Watchtower inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.
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you cant have something come from nothing.
-SWNHow do you know this? Have you ever observed a lack of space time and energy? How would you know how it behaves?
I'd recommend you do a little reading on entropy. It doesn't just imply that we can get something from nothing. Rather, it means that "nothing" is inherently unstable and will always produce something.
Our intuitions are useless here. We have no prior experience in the formation of universes that we can draw upon. "That doesn't sound right to me" is not a valid objection.
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I am confused,bewildered
by bobld inon their social media site:why do we attend large assemblies?
god's sevants in the past,who were instructed to assemble three times a year, we.
look forward to meeting together in large groups.soon they will be out in full force.
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JW theology is truly religion ala carte. Check out the latest NWT
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We didn't leave religion because we lost our faith. Rather, we found our curiosity. And what a beautiful world it is that we've since discovered. -
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What is R&F
by Drifting Away ini see the letters r&f often, but i dont know what that stands for..can someone tell me?
tia
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Hahahaha, nice Baker!
For a long time I thought it meant The "Truth" Ain't The Truth
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Christians Know Who God Is
by Loi_241 inmany of us christians have a good question for you to ask, “who is god?” there are more than six scriptures to share with you.
you know the bible itself a true message for all the people on earth.
the bible explains ‘in the beginning god created everything: heaven, earth, animals, people and everything.’ thus, you notice god created humans, adam and eve.
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The OP makes a number of very unconvincing and unsubstantiated assertions.
Well said. Simply saying something is the case does not make it the case. And empty assertions are not going to convince anyone of anything. If people want to be taken seriously, they need to show they have good reasons for believing the things they believe.
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Not the Author of Confusion
by Coded Logic in609 african independent charismatic.
black american apostolic.
african independent charismatic.
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Most Christians believe that God inspired the Bible in some form or another. But if you believe that God is "not the author of confusion" (1 Corinthians 14:33) then why do people who are honestly seeking the Christian God disagree on just about every single point? And why are there so many different types of Christians?
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There are:
- The Roman Catholics
- 435 types of Conservative Catholic (schism ex-Rome)
- 32 Independent Russian Orthodox
- 30 Orthodox sect/sectarian
- 27 Liberal Catholic (Theosophical, Masonic, Gnostic)
- 26 Old Catholic (i.e. split with Rome after Vatican Council I)
- 25 Old Believer, Old Ritualist (Russian Orthodox sect)
- 24 Independent Ukrainian Orthodox
- 23 Reformed Orthodox (uncanonical)
- 16 Reformed Catholic (retaining Roman Catholic claims)
- 8 Old Calendarist (Authentic Orthodox)
- 6 True Orthodox (conservative Russian Orthodox)
- 5 Independent Serbian Orthodox
- 5 Latin-rite Catholic
- 5 Independent Assyrian or Nestorian
- 3 Independent Romanian Orthodox
- 2 Independent Estonian Orthodox
- 2 Independent Greek Orthodox
- 1 Independent Bulgarian Orthodox
- 1 Independent Byzantine rite
- 1 Independent Hungarian Orthodox
- 1 Independent Macedonian Orthodox
- 1 Independent Moldavian Orthodox
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Then there are the Independent Christians:
- 65 types of Filipino Charismatic
- 70 Chinese neocharismatic
- 71 Chinese Charismatic
- 78 Black American pentecostal
- 82 Holiness (Conservative Methodist, non-pentecostal)
- 86 Afro-Caribbean Oneness pentecostal
- 92 Latin American Charismatic
- 92 Anglican/Independent Evangelical
- 92 Independent Methodist
- 95 Indian pentecostal
- 96 African Oneness pentecostal
- 96 marginal independent (Black/Third World)
- 99 White-led Oneness pentecostal
- 102 Arab Charismatic
- 133 Black American Oneness pentecostal
- 133 Independent Disciple, Restorationist, Christian
- 136 Independent Reformed, Presbyterian
- 158 Zionist African Independent
- 167 Korean pentecostal (mixed traditions)
- 177 Indonesian pentecostal
- 208 New/Old Apostolic, Catholic Apostolic (Irvingite, an Anglican / Presbyterian / Adventist sect)
- 221 Brazilian/Portuguese pentecostal
- 225 ethnic or monoethnic denomination
- 226 White-led Full Gospel
- 236 Nondenominational (no church or anti-church)
- 271 Independent Baptist
- 281 Latin American grassroots
- 281 Filipino neocharismatic
- 300 Brazilian grassroots
- 343 Afro-Caribbean pentecostal
- 439 African Independent Spiritual
- 475 Indian Charismatic
- 609 African Independent Charismatic
- 644 Latin American pentecostal
- 805 single autonomous congregations
- 813 White-led pentecostal
- African Independent Apostolic
- Black American Apostolic
- Filipino Apostolic
- Indian Apostolic
- another 8 groups have "Apostolic"
- African Independent Charismatic
- Black American Charismatic
- Chinese Charismatic
- African Independent Full Gospel
- Black American Full Gospel
- Chinese Full Gospel
- another 10 groups have "Full Gospel"
- another 20 groups have "house-church network" or "cell-based network"
- another 14 are something-"neocharismatic"
- another 12 are something-"Oneness pentecostal"
- another 18 are something-"pentecostal"
- another 12 are something-"radio/TV believers [or "network"]" (i.e. the "pastor" for these independent Christians is some personality on radio or TV)
- then we have a couple deliverence/pentecostal groups
- Word of Faith / Prosperity groups
- a couple of "mixed traditions"
- some "Zionist" groups
- Independent Anglicans or Anglo-Catholic groups in both Catholic and Protestant directions
- Independent Adventists
- apocalyptic or eschatological ("end times") groups
- Independent Baptists
- British-Israelites
- Hidden Buddhist believers in Christ
- some Independent Orthodox groups
- independent Christian Brethren (Plymouth Brethren)
- schismatic Conservative Catholics
- Independent Congregational, Congregationalists
- Independent Disciple, Restorationist, Christian
- Independent Dunkers (Tunker, Dipper)
- Independent Exclusive Brethren (Closed, Strict)
- episcopi vagantes ("wandering" bishops-at-large, very small under 100 members)
- Independent Estonian Orthodox
- Independent Anglican Evangelical
- Independent Fundamentalist
- Gay/Lesbian homosexual tradition (i.e. so-called "gay churches" such as Metropolitan Community Churches)
- Independent Greek Orthodox
- Hidden Hindu believers in Christ
- Holiness or Conservative Methodist (non-Pentecostal)
- Independent Hungarian Orthodox
- Independent Jehovah's Witnesses (True Faith Jehovah's Witnesses, Lord's Witnesses, Christian Witnesses of Jah)
- Messianic, Jewish-Christian congregations
- Independent "Latin-rite" Catholics
- Independent "Liberal" Catholics (Theosophical, Masonic, Gnostic)
- 7 Independent Protestant or Orthodox churches
- Hidden Muslim believers in Christ
- Independent Assyrian or Nestorian
- No-Church Movement
- Non-denominational (no church or anti-church groups) {Christians who don't even think there should be Churches}
- Old Believer, Old Ritualist
- Old Catholics (i.e. split from Rome after Vatican Council I)
- Old Calendarist (Authentic Orthodox)
- Orthodox sect/sectarian
- Independent Friends (Quakers)
- 3 indy "Reformed" groups (Anglican, Catholic, Orthodox)
- Independent Spiritualist, spiritists, occultists
- Traditionalist Anglicans
- True Orthodox (Conservative Russian Orthodox)
- Independent Ukrainian Orthodox
- United church (various united bodies)
- community church or union congregation
- ethnic or monoethnic denominations
- independent evangelicals (dispensationalist)
- marginal independent Christian (Black / Third-World)
- isolated radio churches (unorganized)
- single autonomous congregations
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And let's not forget the Protestants
- Adventist
- Baptist
- Christian Brethern (Plymouth Brethren)
- Congregational, Congregationalist
- Disciple, Restorationist, Restorationist Baptist, Christian
- Dunker (Tunker), Dipper, German Baptist, Brethren
- Exclusive Brethren (Plymouth Brethren, Closed)
- Anglican Evangelical, Independent Evangelical
- Fundamentalist
- Holiness (Conservative Methodist, Wesleyan, Free Methodist)
- Lutheran / Reformed united church or joint mission
- Lutheran
- Mennonite, Anabaptist (Left Wing or Radical Reformation)
- Methodist (mainline Methodist, United Methodist)
- Moravian (Continental Pietist)
- Oneness-Pentecostal or Unitarian-Pentecostal: Jesus Only
- Baptistic-Pentecostal or Keswick-Pentecostal
- Holiness-Pentecostal: 3-crisis-experience
- Apostolic, or Pentecostal Apostolic (living apostles)
- Pentecostal (Protestant; Classical Pentecostal)
- Friends (Quaker)
- Reformed, Presbyterian
- Salvationist (Salvation Army)
- United church (union of bodies of different traditions)
- Waldensian
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And here's some of the Marginals (including our favorite)
- Christadelphian
- apocalyptic, eschatological (i.e. "end times" Christians)
- Divine Science
- Gnostic, esoteric, anthroposophical
- Holy Spirit Association for Unification of World Christianity
- Jehovah's Witnesses
- Latter-day Saints (Mormons), including Mormon schismatics
- Liberal Catholic (Theosophical, Masonic, Gnostic)
- schism from Orthodox, in marginal direction
- Paulician, Bogomil
- metaphysical science or "Divine/Religious Science"
- Spiritualist, Spiritist, psychic, occult
- Swedenborgian (Church of the New Jerusalem; spiritualistic)
- Theosophist, Theosophical, synthesist
- Unitarian, Universalist, Free Christian, Liberal Christian
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This is just a sampling of the 33,000 denominations of Christianity in the US. Surely no God would be so incompetent as to inspire a book for humanity that no humans could understand or agree upon.
However, if the Bible is nothing more than a collection of various mythologies and histories cobbled together by ancient men - then such confusion is exactly what we'd expect to see.
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Christians Know Who God Is
by Loi_241 inmany of us christians have a good question for you to ask, “who is god?” there are more than six scriptures to share with you.
you know the bible itself a true message for all the people on earth.
the bible explains ‘in the beginning god created everything: heaven, earth, animals, people and everything.’ thus, you notice god created humans, adam and eve.
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I choose the original Bible copy, not translation
No offense Loi_241, but it's really clear you haven't done even the most basic research on the Bible. Because we don't have an original copy of the Bible. Even worse, different types of Bibles have different numbers of books. For example, the NWT is a Protestant Bible - which was first put together in 1825 by the British and Foreign Bible Society. Prior to that, a Bible with only 66 books didn't exist.
It's also why we can't find the book of Enoch, or 1st and 2nd Maccabees in the NWT. And it's also why the NWT doesn't have the account of Bell and the Dragon in the book of Daniel. Or any of the extensions to Esther either.
Conversely, the books of Jude and Revelation used to NOT be included in the Bible. They weren't added until after the year 500. But the book Shepherd of Hermas used to be part of the New Testament.
The problem is the Bible was never canonized. Everyone disagrees on what should - and shouldn't - be allowed in the Bible. Does that sound like the makings of a "true message" to you?
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Christians Know Who God Is
by Loi_241 inmany of us christians have a good question for you to ask, “who is god?” there are more than six scriptures to share with you.
you know the bible itself a true message for all the people on earth.
the bible explains ‘in the beginning god created everything: heaven, earth, animals, people and everything.’ thus, you notice god created humans, adam and eve.
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do you have proof of you asking why think the Bible has a "true" message?
Yes. It is located on the first page of this thread.
It's time for you to grab a coffee and do your homework on researching the ancient times and who is the author of Holy Bible.
Which "Holy Bible"? The Roman Catholic Bible? Greek Orthodox? Slavonic? Protestant?
All these "Holy Bibles" have a different number of books. And most of those books have different authors. You seem not to know this. I find it odd that you're telling me that I need to do research on the Bible when you haven't bothered to do any for yourself.
Also, it hasn't gone unnoticed that you didn't answer my question: If the Bible is a true message than why does it make demonstrably false claims?
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Christians Know Who God Is
by Loi_241 inmany of us christians have a good question for you to ask, “who is god?” there are more than six scriptures to share with you.
you know the bible itself a true message for all the people on earth.
the bible explains ‘in the beginning god created everything: heaven, earth, animals, people and everything.’ thus, you notice god created humans, adam and eve.
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keep in mind that sometimes its talking about the NATIONALITY, not the location.
I know of no records in antiquity where Tyre is referenced as a nationality. Rather, the people of Tyre's nationality was Phoenician. I have the feeling this is something that has been pulled out of thin air by Christian apologists (A.K.A. the most dishonest people on the planet).
But none the less we know the Bible passage IS referencing the city of Tyre because:
- A.) It specifically differentiates between the city of Tyre and its "dependent towns" (Ezekiel 26:6,8)
- B.) It specifically references Tyre as being on an Island (Ezekiel 26:15,18). If it were referencing a "nationality" this would not be the case as only one city (Tyre) was on an Island. Not all of Phoenicia.
- C.) It calls Tyre the "city of the Sea" (Ezekiel 26:17).
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Also, even if we grant your premise that it was referencing a "nationality", it STILL gets it wrong. Because the people who lived in Tyre weren't destroyed by King Nebuchadnezzar and their inhabitants are still there to this day.
So in this case the nationality of Tyre would be families of Edomites which did see an invansion from him.
This is even worse. It's not only not right - it's not even wrong. Just because someone CAN come up with an explanation doesn't meant that actually IS the explanation. You have to have something you can point to that allows us to reach a conclusion. You don't just get to say "well it could have been this so we'll go with that."
It's blatantly clear that when the Bible references the city of Tyre - it's referencing the CITY of Tyre. And it specifically says that Nebuchadnezzar would breach the city walls and that he would tear down the buildings and that the city would be so thoroughly destroyed that it would never be rebuilt or found again.
Instead of following the evidence where it leads (the Bible got this wrong) they instead try to move the goal post by saying "oh the Bible wasn't really talking about the city of Tyre."
Why can't Christians just be honest?
